PIREP - A DISCUSSION & NEWS FORUM FOR PILOTS.

[Bob Murphie]

Ali Hazzan you clown. Read your own constitution. The post was directed at those who I thought had the mental capacity to do so and understand. If you can't comprehend your own Constitution, what hope the members when policy is made on the run by "the good old boys" running the show.

The problem as I see it isn't owners taking money from Airservices but a public company taking money from either airservices or CASA without referring matters to at least an EGM. You are as compromised as whoever that clown was that "didn't" swear in public, but made an error of judgement by flying a jet through an annual ultralight fly in. Rich fox running amok in the the chook pen it would seem. Arrogant from an AOPA director. Did he do a wingover?

Unions "rolled back" NAS, why can't your mob "roll back" stupid rules that "COULD " make mandated ADSB something that will break the back of GA once and for all?

I see, you don't want to, do you?

Go down fighting or be damned for the procrastinating.

I'm with Mark, I'm out of here but only because one can't reason with the unreasonable.

[brianh]

Tunes

You don't think CASA will mandate ADS-B? Remind me not to back your horse.

Furphie

Your psychobabble is impossible to follow.

You are not an AOPA member and obviously through the rambling about an EGM etc have no understanding of the A of A. Stick to the garden.

Thank you for the reminder the UNIONS rolled back NAS. Given the AIRLINE unions have a compliant regulatory following (how high QF, how high?) how do you expect GA to "roll back" ADS-B. Whatever you are smoking, it's potent.

Tell us what you "rolled back" when you were a director?

And, you still have not given us a strategy. The charge of the light horse does not count as strategy.

And, don't expect a bite on the Cleveland Breaks post. Goose.

Mark

Defence are not stupid. This from AVM Blackburn (being an AVM he outranks Furphie somewhat) "We must ensure that we do not miss the boat with respect to advances in technology such as ADS-B" (with a bit extra about beware orphan technologies).

Fix bayonets, Mark. It seems Bob wants AOPA to now take on Airservices, CASA, Defence, Dept of Infrastructure - and the Airline unions. Obviously Furphie is a reincarnation of the man who sent the light horse charging.

Still, I suppose there was always that chance of "death before dishonour" in Bob's sterling efforts against the above groups in working on AOPA State Chapters. Oh, that's right, that was internal and safe. Go Bob - follow me men, I'll be right behind you giving advice!

If we could get Bob back to his strategy for ADS-B (a workable strategy not mindless forward ho waffle) this thread would have some value.

[Tunes]

Oh dear, you expect me to comment, ADSB is already real for aircraft in RPT service above FL 300 I really doubt we will ever see ADSB out in any Military Aircraft, what ho, lets broacast our position to the Enemy, good idea Jeeves.

ADSB most probably will not ever be mandated in its current form for General Aviation aircraft <5700 kg AUW.

[brianh]

Tunes

Might be best you stick to selling mobile phones.

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I really doubt we will ever see ADSB out in any Military Aircraft

AVM Blackburn " The gradual updating of the residual fleet and the introduction of new ADS-B compatible aircraft has been agreed ... some of the emerging technologies, such as ADS-B, will lead us to a position where we can share the sky in a far more dynamic manner..."

Still, I guess FUA and GENESIS were not around in your time.

But, still not backing your horse.

And you add ADS-B will "probably" not be mandated "in its current form" for GA below 5700 kg. Couldn't you give us a definite 'maybe' as you took two bob each way.

[Tunes]

so "has been agreed" says defence is going to broadcast its position, spare me.

[brianh]

Tunes

I'm starting to feel my age - I can remember when you were actually sharp in the scone.

You and Furphie have proven you have no credibility - or ownership - of what AOPA does.

Now you are usurping the Defence portfolio as well, and just as uselessly.

Until you become Air Vice Marshall Tunes (unlikely unless you now know why F111 taxi quickly) why don't you leave Defence and Defence ADS-B to Defence.

AVM Blackburn, aware of your interest, was kind enough to state "... for reasons of security we would not necessarily want a platform like JSF to have visibility to the ATC system at all times".

They are actually training their RAAF pilots to - turn ADS-B off when required. (As can be done for GA due to safety risks of electrical fire).

(They were going to get CASA to organise the training but it was a two week course and a 4" thick handbook, at a cost of $1000 per pilot - so instead Defence said to their Duntroon best - "don't forget, if you go to war, turn off the ADS-B just like you do your transponder today)

You see, Tunes, Defence aircraft do like to sometimes fly around in civilian airspace and tend to conform to surveillance procedures when not at war. Really simple when you think about it.

[Tunes]

Well bless my soul, so whilst they are training for Air Intercept missions they will leave that ADSB on so our potential future enemies can work out tactics but when they actually go to use the tactics, click switch off, are you for real.

[brianh]

AVM Tunes

Keep your credibility slide going, it's all downhill for you recently.

YOU stated

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I really doubt we will ever see ADSB out in any Military Aircraft

You did not qualify it with mission statements etc but are now trying to duck out with your classic misdirection.

You were, as usual, wrong. AVM Blackburn says that ADS-B IS going into military aircraft.

I'll stick with Blackburn on this. He is, after all, Deputy Chief of the Air Force even if he does not consult you and Furphie to 'get it right'

Of course, with your contacts and pull it should not be hard for you to get him to change his mind. I'll keep watching the DDAAFS Newsletters for that about turn

[Airborne]

brianh RAAF call it IFF. If they use TCAS in non military airspace it only responds to mode C. As you appear to be on first name terms with John ask him does his previous position as deputy director of 'AIRSPACE CONTROL' have any bearing on his or the RAAF ADSB position. Remember that word I highlighted, CONTROL.

[brianh]

Airozone

I'm sure that's all very interesting to you but it has no bearing whatever on what Tunes stated versus the facts - which are in opposition.

AVM BLackburn makes the position on control quite clear " ... it is essential that during periods of conflict we have the ability to secure the data of relevant parts of airspace where we may be conducting operations ..."

Not that it has any relevance to Tunes error but nice smokescreen. Back on your trike.

[Tunes]

Error ????? can an opinion have an error ???? not in my logic school !!!!!

Time will tell, I will stick with my sources.

[brianh]

Tunes

A very good point.

In future your posts will be taken as unqualified 'opinion' so we don't fall into the 'error' of accepting your unsubstantiated 'logic'.

Forgive the rest of us if we stick to ADS-B - FACTS

[Airborne]

brianh, I suggest you seek help from someone qualified to deal with the mentally disturbed. In times of conflict you would find a state of emergency that would render the weekend pilot earthbound, Regional aircraft non existent and International aircraft not seconded to the military also grounded.

Or are you suggesting with your military clearances that regular public transport would not be affected by a state of war? I reckon that the only 'CONTROL' would be military and only using IFF. Our own surface to air missiles need to know this you realise? Oh you didn't, ask John.

Nice job of deflecting the AOPA scandal, I doubt it will go away for long.

[brianh]

Airhead

The only mentally disturbed reside in the Furphie crew.

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In times of conflict you would find a state of emergency that would render the weekend pilot earthbound, Regional aircraft non existent and International aircraft not seconded to the military also grounded.

Of course there would be no RPT or GA flying And of course there would be SAMs smoking all over the place - can I have your comics after you finish reading them?

So for APEC, Cwlth Games etc we should have grounded all RPT and GA? Idiot!

FA 18 operating under due regard, civilian ATC operating as usual and hardly likely to instruct an FA 18 to smoke out a 747 - in the background the AMBCC. Control as and when needed.

Leave Defence to the grown ups, sonny, and go back to your plastic soldiers. Defence were quickly and quietly able to resolve the GA strayer during APEC without your boom bang whoopee scenario.

AOPA scandal? I thought it was a Warbirds matter

[snarek]

Certainly more a warbirds matter than anything to do with AOPA. A little birdie tells me it could also go further.

Only a matter of time before Tunes gob got him in deeper than he could handle.
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